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20 years 6 months ago #33 by DonnC
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I purchased my SD2000 GPM several weeks ago and want to know as much as possible about it before I take it to the field. My questions are as followes:


1. What are the upper and lower voltage limitations of the GPM?

2. What battery are y'all using? I was going to go LI ION until I saw the price of
$600.00 to power the GPM at 8 amp hours.

3. I have heard that Coiltek recently fixed it's old battery problems and was
wondering if their power supply is sufficient to power the GPM

4. Where can I obtain a copy of the original SD2000 manual? I was a little
surprised that the secretary at Minelab/Nevada never heard of an SD2000. She
said that she would try to send me something if and when she could dig
something up.

5. How are the two small sensitivity knobs just left of the balance controle applied?
No one has had the time or knowledge to answer this seemingly easy
question!

6. I am planning to purchase the 12X24 UFO and 14x12 DD coil by Coiltek unless
y'all have other reccomendations?

I would greatly appreciate any and all info and advice!

Regards,

Donn. C


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20 years 6 months ago #36 by bill
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Dear DonnC

I had a few goes at answering your quieries about the gain controls on the Arizona forum as did Ted.
What aspect of the gain controls are you trying to understand ?

Cheers Billy.z

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20 years 6 months ago #43 by DonnC
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How about a simple explanation incorporporating all four knobs on the coil side. not just the two directly above and below the switch but the two just two the left as well?

Thanks

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20 years 6 months ago #44 by ted
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It sounds like you haven't used a SD2000 before and are getting confused between the original balance knobs and the new sensitivity knobs of the mod.
For the moment disregard the pics on this site as they show a different face plate with a additional switch used to convert one side of a DD coil to become a mono coil.
Refer instead to page 3 of the GPM mod manual.
The illustration on this page should be exactly what your machine looks like.
The big 3 position toggle switch is the mode switch, (exerpts from the manual are in brackets)
"The Mode Switch is used to select one of the two ground balancing modes or the search mode", "The SD2000 is essentially two detectors in one. Each "half" of the detector must be Ground Balanced seperately. After ground balancing has been completed, prospecting is performed with the Mode Switch in the "Search" position"
The Knobs directly above and below the mode switch are the ten turn potentiometers of Balance I and Balance II and are marked as such. "The Balance Controls allow the detector to be adjusted to suit varying ground mineralisation levels. Each one is adjusted with the Mode Switch in the respective position".
"Ground Balancing. It is important to "Ground Balance" the SD2000 to the local conditions before commencing a search. Assuming that the detector is operating with the Threshold and Tone set, adjust the Balance Controls using the following procedure: Set the Mode Switch to the 'Balance I' setting. Move the coil up and down between 1cm to 15cm(that means up to 6") above the ground. As the coil moves up and down, the volume and the pitch of the Threshold Tone will change if the detector is not ground balanced. Adjust the Balance I Control so that no variation in Volume or pitch is heard as the Coil is moved up and down.
When this is acheived the detector is said to be ground balanced."
"When the detector is balanced with the Mode Switch in the Balance I position, switch to Balance II and using the Balance II Control, repeat the process described above. When the detector is balanced in both positions, switch to Search and commence prospecting."
Thats how you get going with the standard machine, now the modded machine has two additional smaller knobs to adjust the sensitivity of the receive circuit, these are located to the side of and slightly above and below the mode switch. After ground balancing set the mode switch to the Balance I position and adjust the upper small knob as has been described on our posts on other forums, when adjusted to your satisfaction move the mode switch to the Balance II position and adjust the lower small knob, when completed return the mode switch to the central "Search" position and your away.
The whole process is a lot quicker to do than to type.
Hope your finally on the right track.

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20 years 6 months ago #46 by DonnC
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Sorry guys, I had not seen Billy's last post @ arizonaoutback where the two skinny controles are finally identified as the gain.

Thanks to you to Ted and Billy on your groundbalancing techniques. Ted's last paragraph on this forum was especially helpful.

Any idea of what the upper and lower limit to voltage are on this machine?

Thank you very much!

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DonnC

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20 years 6 months ago #47 by Ismael
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DonnC I presume you are the same Donn from the US that I have constantly promised to upload a SD2000 Manual for? :blink: Sorry but you wouldn't believe how busy I have become lately. I think by now after Ted's and others replies you should not need it. Now as to the voltage requirements you should have my regulator system and that will run quite okay on 10V and above. Keep in mind however that if you go too high the regulator will get hot dissappating the extra volts down to 10V it needs to operate. As a rule stick with 12V. Now if you are asking what the regulator voltage output is then at the min. it is 6.85 and Max is 8.55V. Brainy But if you are asking what the detector will handle; 6V is considered Flat and the Low bat light will come on at anywhere between 5.7 - 6V, 6.7V is the average fully charged 6V battery, the detectors uppermost voltage before it will cut off is anywhere between 9V-10.5V but I do not suggest running them that high as ShitHappens

I hope that has answered your questions and if you have any others feel free to ask.

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20 years 5 months ago #52 by DonnC
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Ismael,

I am confused once again. You write that anything above 12 volts is fine and even 14 volts will work but then you also say that any 12 volt battery with more than 10.5 volts output is probably to much? The reason I ask this is because I am thinking about using a 14 volt lithium ion laptop battery (2 ponds by the way) on my gpm but I think that the the battery's output may actually be more than 14 volts. come to think about it my 12v/18 Ah (13 pounds) gell cell may also have more than 12volts of output. I realize that the regulator will bring the out put down but how do I know if it will bring it down enough. Maybe I should just play it safe and use a weeker 12 volt gell cell of say just 7Ah. I can't seem to find any LI ion batteries under 14 volts that have sufficient Ah and so am very interested in how and when yours is coming along. I do see alot of little cylinderical 3.5 V/2Ah LI Ion batteries and was thinking of connecting three of them but don't know if that will work.

i am realy concerned about batteries because where I am planning to go there are no power sources not even automobile access to charge them. Any solar panel suggestion would also be helpful.

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DonnC


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20 years 5 months ago #53 by Ismael
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Hi DonnC,

Okay you seem to have got things muddled a little so I hope that this will explain a little better:

The regulator you have will handle any voltages up to 32VDC. The output will ALWAYS be 6.8 - 8.5VDC. The considerations are this: IF you run in excess of a nominal 12V source you run the risk of the regulator getting too hot from dropping the voltage from ??Volts to the regulator working voltage of 10V. Think about it like this:

A fully charged 12V SLA battery is really somewhere around 13.2 - 13.8VDC so you are dropping approximately 5V to output 8.5V. This is fine and doesn't worry the regulator as far as heat is concerned. A 14.4V li-Ion battery fully charged is somewhere around 16.6V fully charged. A voltage drop of around 8V this is probably okay but the regulator will get hotter. It is well heat sinked to avoid too much heat build-up but no guarantees on how long it would last at high temperatures. On paper it should be fine, in practise: who knows?

Another consideration is the length of time it will operate. With a 12V 7Ah battery it should run close to 8 hours or more. I have run the system with Li-Ion packs of 10.8V 6Ahr for 5 hours no worries (actually 6.5 hours, but once ANY battery falls below 10V the regulator output voltage drops also). Your suggestion of 3 cells (10.8V 2Ahr) will only operate for aproximately 1.5 - 2.5 hours so isn't really a good idea.

The main thing to remember is the voltage INTO the regulator DOES NOT go directly into the detector and as such will not harm the detector. So back to what do you use? SLA is good but heavy. Li-Ion needs to have a minimum output of 10.8V (12.6 when fully charged) and again at least 5.2 and above Ahrs to be of any use in the field. With li-ion you need 3 cells in series to get 10.8V and again 3 cells in parallel to get 6Ahrs, so the pack is a total of 9 batteries. This as I said above works fine.

If you need any more clarification give me a call on +61 8 9493 3656.

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